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		<title>By: BIDMIN</title>
		<link>http://arorguk.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/shack1/comment-page-2/#comment-157</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 06:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a. remember it is a dream...pg 245..he was not sure it happened. remember, papa showed up as a man. in the dream... 

b. best not to start worshipping and bowing down to older black women or elderly white men in mining clothes! The making of the Christ is a worse idol that the shacks papa. At least none of us is stupid enough to picture God who is a consuming fire as an old black woman or elderly white miner; not that God could not appear as that if he chose....

c. If you have seen me, you have seen the father...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a. remember it is a dream&#8230;pg 245..he was not sure it happened. remember, papa showed up as a man. in the dream&#8230; </p>
<p>b. best not to start worshipping and bowing down to older black women or elderly white men in mining clothes! The making of the Christ is a worse idol that the shacks papa. At least none of us is stupid enough to picture God who is a consuming fire as an old black woman or elderly white miner; not that God could not appear as that if he chose&#8230;.</p>
<p>c. If you have seen me, you have seen the father&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar Mijares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar Mijares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it definitely presents an unbiblical view of the Trinity, as you indicate it shows God as 3 separate persons, bodily and otherwise, this is Tritheism and Modalism, “we are not talking about one God with three attitudes”, Young emphasizes the plurality of the Godhead as God being the Afro American woman, Jesus the a Middle Eastern man and the Holy Spirit as an Asian woman. Young indicates that the unity of God is not one in essence (nature) as Biblically taught, but ascertain that it is a social union of three separate persons. The Word of God clearly teaches that God is one essence but has three distinct and inseparable persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Young’s view of the Trinity is flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it definitely presents an unbiblical view of the Trinity, as you indicate it shows God as 3 separate persons, bodily and otherwise, this is Tritheism and Modalism, “we are not talking about one God with three attitudes”, Young emphasizes the plurality of the Godhead as God being the Afro American woman, Jesus the a Middle Eastern man and the Holy Spirit as an Asian woman. Young indicates that the unity of God is not one in essence (nature) as Biblically taught, but ascertain that it is a social union of three separate persons. The Word of God clearly teaches that God is one essence but has three distinct and inseparable persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Young’s view of the Trinity is flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Part 4 - What&#8217;s Wrong with The Shack &#171; Radical Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Part 4 - What&#8217;s Wrong with The Shack &#171; Radical Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spdar</title>
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		<dc:creator>spdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew, thanks for your comments, and I&#039;m glad the book provoked such a positive response in coming to a place where you realised that you can actually have a relationship with God. I am excited that you have come to that understanding. I believe that is what a true Christian is. Before that we are just people who know about God!

I too enjoyed the book and felt there were some great things in it. I guess I just have to ask myself that because people have found God in it does that allow me to endorse every error in it. There are people who have found God speak to them though the book of Mormon and become a Christian ... would I recommend people read the book of Mormon ... No clearly I would not.

As a church leader I must carefully consider what I endorse and what I do not. I understand your points about how God is portrayed as PAPA but the bible does not allow us that liberty. I agree that an character of &quot;an old man in swaying white robes that speaks good words&quot; as you put it would be equally wrong because God is Spirit and we are not depict him in &quot;any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth&quot; (Exodus 20:4-5)

I think we need to be very careful in promoting &quot;Flaky Theology&quot; just to challenge our views on what we believe. By all means challenge Theology it is very important to do so, but we do this by reading the bible and letting that challenge what we believe. Of course I am not saying we should not read other books to help us do that, but to write a book with deliberately bad theology just so we can challenge our beliefs is dangerous.

One could argue that what about all those people who did not have a belief to challenge and now believe all this dodgy theology is now in the bible! It is for these reasons that I will not recommend the book as a leader in a church I am then the one who has to unpick all poor understanding of the trinity at a later date.

Many Christians say &quot;its the best book I have read&quot; and one I find a little disappointing to be honest. As a Christian the bible is Gods word to us and there should be no other book above this for bringing us closer to him or giving us a better understanding of him. People even say &quot;its better than the bible&quot; and this is where I must contend that we are in danger of moving into creating God in our own image, in creating him to be what we want him to be. Just like The Shack does when Papa appears as a man because that is what Mack needed at that point.

I don&#039;t doubt that like you there are many people who, because of his grace, God has spoken to through the shack. God is his grace may well use the imperfect to redeem those he loves, but this does not give us license to continue in error. David sinned with Bathsheba, committed adultery and then murder but God in his amazing grace went on to bless David and Jesus was a subsequent descendant of Solomon, David &amp; Bathsheba’s next son. We cannot use Gods grace to justify error.  We cannot use Gods grace to justify the error of adultery nor can we justify teaching or endorsing known error in books such as “The Shack”.

I am sorry if you thought my writings on the Shack were &quot;putting it down&quot; I am simply highlighting the clearly wrong theological basis the author has adopted.

Having said all that Andrew, what excites me most is that in all of this you have found that you can have a personal relationship with God yourself and that is really exciting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew, thanks for your comments, and I&#8217;m glad the book provoked such a positive response in coming to a place where you realised that you can actually have a relationship with God. I am excited that you have come to that understanding. I believe that is what a true Christian is. Before that we are just people who know about God!</p>
<p>I too enjoyed the book and felt there were some great things in it. I guess I just have to ask myself that because people have found God in it does that allow me to endorse every error in it. There are people who have found God speak to them though the book of Mormon and become a Christian &#8230; would I recommend people read the book of Mormon &#8230; No clearly I would not.</p>
<p>As a church leader I must carefully consider what I endorse and what I do not. I understand your points about how God is portrayed as PAPA but the bible does not allow us that liberty. I agree that an character of &#8220;an old man in swaying white robes that speaks good words&#8221; as you put it would be equally wrong because God is Spirit and we are not depict him in &#8220;any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth&#8221; (Exodus 20:4-5)</p>
<p>I think we need to be very careful in promoting &#8220;Flaky Theology&#8221; just to challenge our views on what we believe. By all means challenge Theology it is very important to do so, but we do this by reading the bible and letting that challenge what we believe. Of course I am not saying we should not read other books to help us do that, but to write a book with deliberately bad theology just so we can challenge our beliefs is dangerous.</p>
<p>One could argue that what about all those people who did not have a belief to challenge and now believe all this dodgy theology is now in the bible! It is for these reasons that I will not recommend the book as a leader in a church I am then the one who has to unpick all poor understanding of the trinity at a later date.</p>
<p>Many Christians say &#8220;its the best book I have read&#8221; and one I find a little disappointing to be honest. As a Christian the bible is Gods word to us and there should be no other book above this for bringing us closer to him or giving us a better understanding of him. People even say &#8220;its better than the bible&#8221; and this is where I must contend that we are in danger of moving into creating God in our own image, in creating him to be what we want him to be. Just like The Shack does when Papa appears as a man because that is what Mack needed at that point.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that like you there are many people who, because of his grace, God has spoken to through the shack. God is his grace may well use the imperfect to redeem those he loves, but this does not give us license to continue in error. David sinned with Bathsheba, committed adultery and then murder but God in his amazing grace went on to bless David and Jesus was a subsequent descendant of Solomon, David &amp; Bathsheba’s next son. We cannot use Gods grace to justify error.  We cannot use Gods grace to justify the error of adultery nor can we justify teaching or endorsing known error in books such as “The Shack”.</p>
<p>I am sorry if you thought my writings on the Shack were &#8220;putting it down&#8221; I am simply highlighting the clearly wrong theological basis the author has adopted.</p>
<p>Having said all that Andrew, what excites me most is that in all of this you have found that you can have a personal relationship with God yourself and that is really exciting!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew White</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the way that this book needs to be approached is with an open mind. William Young wrote the book so that both non-christians and christians alike who have strict rigid views on the trinity have something to think about. I can&#039;t reply to each argument, but take for example the interesting issue of how God is depicted. Obviously God isn&#039;t a large African-American woman that is talented at cooking, BUT he uses this character so that we totally smash our view of God, being an old man in swaying white robes that speaketh good words! 

Indeed, the theology behind the book isn&#039;t entirely correct, but that&#039;s what was intended. A way of challenging our views on what we believe. 

Personally, as a Christian this has been the best book I&#039;ve read, and it led to a whole chain of events that led to me getting even closer with God, after I realised that you can have a relationship with him! 

It&#039;s saddening to read a report that puts the book down, but we&#039;re all entitled to our own views!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the way that this book needs to be approached is with an open mind. William Young wrote the book so that both non-christians and christians alike who have strict rigid views on the trinity have something to think about. I can&#8217;t reply to each argument, but take for example the interesting issue of how God is depicted. Obviously God isn&#8217;t a large African-American woman that is talented at cooking, BUT he uses this character so that we totally smash our view of God, being an old man in swaying white robes that speaketh good words! </p>
<p>Indeed, the theology behind the book isn&#8217;t entirely correct, but that&#8217;s what was intended. A way of challenging our views on what we believe. </p>
<p>Personally, as a Christian this has been the best book I&#8217;ve read, and it led to a whole chain of events that led to me getting even closer with God, after I realised that you can have a relationship with him! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s saddening to read a report that puts the book down, but we&#8217;re all entitled to our own views!</p>
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		<title>By: Part 3 - What&#8217;s Wrong with the Shack &#171; Radical Life</title>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing!  You did a great job of declaring what I also understood from reading &quot;The Shack&quot;.  In addition, I caught a glitch in &quot;Who said anything about being a Christian?  I am not a Christian.&quot; (Jesus speaking)  Was he referring to people not needing to become Christians?  I had a red flag there.  Also, there was an attitude that would lead us to think that no one was going to hell and everyone would go to heaven.  I disagree with that because even though God loves us, He is also Just.  There will be a judgement and not everyone will be saved from the consequences of it.  
Like you, I enjoyed the book, but I will be careful who I pass it on to.  It could cause someone to believe everything they read just because part of it sounds correct.
I read a book called &quot;Conversations With God&quot; several years go.  It falls into the same problems as this book, theologically speaking.  The author was from the Pacific Northwest area of the U.S. as was this author.  Is there a group of people with these same convictions that have congregated to this part of the country?  Not that the Pacific Northwest is all about this, but it caused me to keep my eyes open to the possibility.  When I begin looking at a book I look at the publisher and the denominational background of the author.  It gives me a heads up to pay close attention to the doctrinal issues. 
Overall, it was a very thought provoking book!  And, by the way, when I pray now (after reading the book), I still do not see God as a black woman or get a visual of any other kind. That&#039;s a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing!  You did a great job of declaring what I also understood from reading &#8220;The Shack&#8221;.  In addition, I caught a glitch in &#8220;Who said anything about being a Christian?  I am not a Christian.&#8221; (Jesus speaking)  Was he referring to people not needing to become Christians?  I had a red flag there.  Also, there was an attitude that would lead us to think that no one was going to hell and everyone would go to heaven.  I disagree with that because even though God loves us, He is also Just.  There will be a judgement and not everyone will be saved from the consequences of it.<br />
Like you, I enjoyed the book, but I will be careful who I pass it on to.  It could cause someone to believe everything they read just because part of it sounds correct.<br />
I read a book called &#8220;Conversations With God&#8221; several years go.  It falls into the same problems as this book, theologically speaking.  The author was from the Pacific Northwest area of the U.S. as was this author.  Is there a group of people with these same convictions that have congregated to this part of the country?  Not that the Pacific Northwest is all about this, but it caused me to keep my eyes open to the possibility.  When I begin looking at a book I look at the publisher and the denominational background of the author.  It gives me a heads up to pay close attention to the doctrinal issues.<br />
Overall, it was a very thought provoking book!  And, by the way, when I pray now (after reading the book), I still do not see God as a black woman or get a visual of any other kind. That&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: PArt 2 - What’s Wrong with the Shack &#171; AndyRobinson.org.uk</title>
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